what you describe with the island example is the perfect utopien society. However, my example of too many head chefs and not enough cooks hold true as well. Your stating that given this exsistance pay people would simply just strive to do more. but your assuming that componies will motivate them sufficiently to work.
People do not need to be motivated to work. Most people want to do something and that will never change. As I said before Painters will paint, inventors will invent it is what we do. If we are not forced to work to survive you would be free to pursue activities that have value to you. Yes it will make it difficult to find people to make useless junk, that I think is a good thing. Yes we will have to pay people more to things like pick up the trash and clean toilets and all the Dirty Jobs, but on the other hand, activities that provide no value, like Stock Broker, will pay way less than they do now. I argue that the idea that man must be forced like a donkey to do any work is just false.
The basic purpose of a basic government is to maintain order through out the "island" the people surrender a few rights to have the order of a community.
Actually the basic government purpose is to uphold Property Rights.
What you say is that we are now forced to work to survive? You would have to work to survive anyways even without government to prevent the acts of desperation.
That is true only if we have Property Rights. Without Property rights we go back to living as our ancestors. We follow game and do farming as needed. Yes this is work but if you disagree with the group you can just leave and make it on your own somewhere else. With property rights there is no longer somewhere else...every bit of land is already owned by someone else. If you see an apple and try to pick it you might get shot. So property rights limit our freedom to access to two of lifes most needed supplies, food and water. Property rights take away our access to food and water and it is that infringement on our rights that I propose we are paid for. This payment is in exchange for our restriction to these necessities. There would not be major chaos as you state because we tend to form small groups of like minded individuals without property rights. Yes there is fighting between these groups. But let us take the Native Americans as an example. When we arrived in America the Average Native American only had to spend 4 hours per day to provide for thier needs they lived a mostly peaceful existence. How many hours day do we work now?
A phrase I use is that a perfect world inheirently brings chaos.
A perfect world. There is no such thing as a perfect World, it is simply impossible. Man is not perfect and therefore could never produce perfection. We are all different and therefore we can not create a system that will work everyone. It is impossible. The best that we can hope for is near perfection.
But let us think about what a perfect world might have.
Could we create a system that makes these things more achievable. I think we can all agree that yes we can do much better at this than we are now. Our system (semi-free market Capitalist/Socialist) is grossly inefficient, desperately unfair, and completely unsustainable. We claim to be the leader of the Free world and yet we have the Highest rate of incarceration. We call places like Iran and N. Korea evil and yet we jail way more of our fellow citizens than they do. We kill way more of our citizens fighting drugs than either of these countries do being "evil" to thier citizens. We attack foriegn Sovereign countries without provocation (pakistan, Somalia). We scammed the whole damn world into buying our Derivative crap and tanked the Entire World Economy...I could go on and on...Our system sucks, it is in desperate need of replacement.
Absolute perfection will be the most chaotic thing you will ever see 10 fold.
History says otherwise. Many many more people have died since the establishment of Property Rights than there was killed before property rights...millions died in WW1..
Forget my rambing though. It doesnt get of the ground if you cant tell me how you plan to pay for it.
Yes this is the Hard Part. I apologize that is going to take some time for me to come up with an adequate answer to this question. The difficulty is that we are now a global community, therefore we must have a system that will work globally. This brings up many other problems...You see I believe that the basic problem with our system and everything that has ever been tried so far, is that these system are top down, meaning all of the control or power is held by just a small number of people at the top. This inherently leads to Corruption for Power or Greed, so that must addressed. How do we make it fair for all of the different countries and yet still give them soveriegnty. Things of that nature...It is a big issue and I am still working on the details...
But the question of How to pay for it is really not a question at all. In our current system we are using play money. The US dollar which is the Defacto World Reserve Currency is a Fiat Currency. This means that it has no inherent value, there is nothing to back it up, no gold or other item of real value stored somewhere that you could cash in your fake money for, it just doesn't exist. Our money only has value because you have faith in it and our Government, that is all that makes it have value. Without faith it is only paper and ink. We use what is known as Fractional reserve banking in most of the Developed world. This system works like this. For every dollar a bank has in deposits it can lend out Ten. Basically creating Nine dollars out of thin Air, This works for a time but eventually the debt, fake money created from fractional banking becomes too large and can no longer be serviced, people lose faith and the system collapses, the government then steps in to bail out the banks and the process begins all over again. Over and over again. We are currently going thru the third collapse our system in America. It just does not work. Heck the first time we even had Real money but of course Fractional banking is unsustainable and so it collapsed even using REAL Money.
One thing we must consider. Changing our system is not only something we want to do, it is something that we HAVE to do. Our system is just simply unsustainable to continue as we are will kill Humanity. Another thing which I believe is greatly overlooked is the fact that we are just becoming way too productive and our per man productive capacity is still dramatically improving by use of technology. As this progresses there just simply will not be near enough jobs for everyone to have one. How can we have a system that demands everyone must work to survive if we don't have enough jobs for them to do? I don't know about you but I say put the damn Robots to work, the sooner the better, I would much rather create Art and Music and spent the rest of me day Making Love than have to go work making useless widgets all day.
So basically to do as I propose will be a complete World Wide rework and that will take me some time to figure the particulars of just how we might consider doing such a thing. I do not see the cost is really a problem, once the system is reworked the amount of savings in wasted production and fuel and pollution costs, war etc is figured in I am completely confident that not only will we be saving a ton of money we will also enjoy much freer and rewarding lives.
Thank you so much for discussing this I look forward to your responses. I will respond with a posting on how to do this...It may take a few more months, I have been working on this for sometime already....It is like my Hobby...lol...I hope to have this completed before Europe Crashes and brings the World to it's knees...So I better get back to it...That could be any day now...lol...just kidding of course...it is still months off....lol
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